sean hannity is a republican. it is obvious that he does not like president obama. and thinks his policies are bad. but, in totality, with shepard smith coming at 7:00. with bret baire coming at 6:00, you have a presentation that's not overtly hostile to president obama. what we -- what the contention is is that we glorify the protesters. but that's bull. we just don't demean them like all the other networks do. so i'm trying to get in my mind why the obama people don't see this as a negative toward them. a fight with fox hurts them. helps our ratings, hurts their ratings. but they continue, i think, to make an issue of it. >> well, i mean, the one time during the presidency was the one interview did with john harwood. now, i know other cable networks when they hear the president say cable chatter think the president is talking about them. many think the president is talking about us. during one of his recent town meetings, he said, you know, if you go across cable and you stop your remote at a certain channel you know you hear critical things. bill: of course that'